Now I know that when a student is suspended from school that it issupposed to be a means of punishment,do you think that the children feel punished by it? Now I know that some of them might,provided that punishment is enforced at home but I have also heard some children feel as though it is a few days off for them. What do you think? Do you think that suspension from school because of misbehavior is a punishment or a reward?
[question posted by JenInTN]
responses and comments:
I think that suspension from school is a punishment if the student consider school as important. But if the student sees school as boring, it would be respite for him and will enjoy the suspension. I think that there is a better way of disciplining the student. Instead of suspending him, it would be better to let him go to school and do some extra activities as a form of disciplinary action, like cleaning some areas of the school, fixing something, etc. [learn2earn]
I think your right. It would be better to give them extra duties versus giving them time off. I bet they might think a little harder about breaking the rules if they knew they might have to clean the bathrooms for a couple of days or something like that. Extra school work might be an option too. Thanks for the input. [JenInTN]
Depends on the parents. I was suspended only once and it was NOT a reward for me. My mom was NOT happy about it at all. She had me do homework at home :( But if the parents dont mind and if they both work and nobody is home, then yes its going to be a reward for the kid. He can do as he wants. So it comes back to the parents I guess. [MagicalBubbles]
It can kind of come back to the parents. There has to be some reinforcement at home if the point is to be taken seriously. I think that parents that have to work could actually even make arrangements for the child to stay with someone that wouldn't let them take a "vacation". Maybe there should be a facility where parents could send their suspended children..hmm..that's an interesting thought. Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
Definitely a punishment even if the children don't think so. If mine every got suspended, they'd be cleaning house so that they didn't get the idea that it was a reward! [dawnald]
If the parents make it a punshment..it definitely would be but I do think it would take that kind of enforcement to make a difference. Some kids would just see it as a few days off. Thanks for the input. [JenInTN]
I think it's seen as a reward by too many kids because it's simply what it sounds like, two or three days off from school. I was "suspended" from work once. I had a job where I was "rewarded" for doing a good job by getting more work dumped on me. When someone quit, I was given their workload along with my own. That happened twice so I was doing the work of three without a raise in salary. I had a supervisor who was a slave driver, too. She was awful to us, but would sit at her desk, drinking Coffee and reading mail order catalogues with her "chosen ones" all the time. I had tried to get a transfer to a different department but they wouldn't even give me a chance. So, I began a formal grievance. My boss's boss didn't like that so she told me to take two days off to think about the seriousness of what I was doing. This was without pay, of course. So, I used those two days to find another job and write my 4-page letter of resignation, naming names, copies of which I gave to my boss's boss, her boss, personnel and the president of the company. My "suspension" backfired on them. I learned that my immediate supervisor quit two weeks after I did. LOL Oops, sorry, I did get off-topic, kinda. But it was the same kind of thing. Those two days off I used to my advantage, just as most kids do while they are suspended from school. [mentalward]
That ties in perfectly my friend. It is sometimes better in the eyes of the "punished". I think that on an adult level..you did what I would have done too. On a child's level, alot of times, it's all about having a few days off. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
I think that instead of suspending them from classes that should have them have to work in a separate room on the same work, on their own and then have to put time in doing work around the school (cleaning, etc.) as punishment. Taking them out of classes is counter-productive in the long run. If not in the same school, then in a school for teens who have been in trouble. [nanajanet]
I think it's better to make them go too. I think that by isolating them from their friends and having them do their work plus more would be more beneficial than just letting them be out. Thanks for the input. [JenInTN]
Reward? Never! If a child is suspended from school for some infraction then it should be followed through at home as well. It is just like mom and dad have to work together so do school and parents. Sure it may be a few days off for the kids because they have problem been under some tension at school and the culmination of it all was the suspension. It should be a punishment both at home and at school! [celticeagle]
Consistentancy is the key I think. [celticeagle]
I do think it is viewed as a reward to some misbehaving children, actually most children. Chances are that when they are sent home for the usual three days, both Mom and Dad are working and therefore no one is home to watch what they are doing. They have free range of the house like it is a weekend where they can go online, watch tv and movies, play Video Games and get into more trouble. At my elementary school, when you did something bad, they often gave you what we called an "IN-School Suspension", where you'd spend the whole day in the vice principal's office doing your school work in total isolation. Well, except for the VP who checks up on you every ten min. [j00nior]
I think your right. I also think that the inschool suspension can be more of a punishment than being out. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
It just seems so ridiculous in my humble opinion. I mean, the types of pupils who often do get suspended are the ones who don't really view school as important, so to them, a suspension is basically several sanctioned days off, rather than a punishment.thumbdownthumbdown [MrKennedy]
Hi MrKennedy! I think you are right that aometimes the children view it as sanctioned days off. I would like to see a program put into place that would take the place of suspension..like an inschool extra work program..lol. Thanks for the input. [JenInTN]
I don't have any children. However, I always viewed it as a punishment. I never did like school but at the same time, it was important to me. When I was in my junior year of high school, my homeroom teacher was always sending me to the office for being late to get a pass. After being late so many times, the assistant principal said he wanted to talk to my mother the next day and he said if she didn't come, he was going to have to send me home. He was quite strict! Nobody liked him too much. Anyway, it was my daddy he ended up talking to since he was the one who always drove me to school. After that, I started being on time more and everything was a lot better. Kathy. [cyrus123]
That's good that you felt as though schooling was important. I never wanted to get suspended either. There are children that would view it as a "break". Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
If they care about their education, they will see it as punishment. Otherwise, they only see it as a form of punishment keeping them away from friends. [libby2009]
You're welcome. [libby2009]
I think for most kids who get suspended it is like a mini vacation. I know if my son got suspended from school it would be nowhere CLOSE to a vacation for him. I guess the repercussions at home have a lot to do with how the kids view it. [lilybug]
Hi lilybug! Your right..it does depend on how the parents handle it at home. I would have to give mine a hard way to go too. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
It is a discipline. I rather call it that way. Some students may view it as reward because of school time off then the rule does not apply to thier type. Maybe the school adminitrator will look for an Alternative that could be coupled with responsibilities like they clean the fields,help out in the library... something for the student to realize they have to be responsible anyway that is why they are in school. [liannejc]
I like the idea of having them do extra stuff versus just cutting them out of school for a few days. It is a discipline in the longrun but sometimes they sdon't realize it when they are young. Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
Hi.it's nice topic.I think,Maybe school have a reason and goal when make that suspension as punishment.They hope that student can thinking about their mistake but nowdays, I don't think that it work.So,better to look for other punish such as give them workhome or something that related with their lesson or school. [Zhizho]
Thank you. I to think that alternative methods might be more successful. I appreciate the input. Take care. [JenInTN]
I strongly think that nowadays it's considered a reward and only gives the student more idle time on their hands. That's a hard question and there aren't any easy answers. To me, detention would be the best answer, but, partly because of lazyness on the part of the teachers and lack of funds to keep the schools open after hours? Those could be some of the reasons that the majority of students are punished by suspending them. Who knows. I think it would be great if schools could work in conjunction with many after school programs or teen recreation programs so that when a student does act up in school they could be automatically signed up to some of these programs and made to do some kind of community service or something of that nature. I don't know. It's a troubling situation with no easy answers. Purrs, Catwoman=^..^= & Mija [kellyjeanne]
Hi Catwoman! Yes..your right that there are no easy answers. I think that other ways would be more effective too. I think that the lesser punishment of in school suspension is more punishment than being out of school all together. Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
Hi JenInTN . Unfortunatelly the suspention from school is not a good aproach to punish a student , it's kindof a reward to mowst of them . I personally was not a school kind of person as i took every chance just not to go to school . Or atleast not beeing on the lessons , becouse i liked hagning oraund in the school schop or on the pool . Lets just say that the suspention is like giving a time off or a small vacation to the student , so i guess that's not a punishment. [gusto84]
It took a long time for me to value my Education too. It might be a punishment for their future but I think they do think of it as a vacation while they are young. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
i think it is a reward for students. they would love to be suspended and spend no-school day. it means they are off from their school. but in our place, if you are suspended, you need to go to school and report. they are given tasks like cleaning the toilet, Gardening and stuffs like that. and their friends will see them doing those. [donnakristel]
ow yes, they will think twice about doing something outrageous. of course, they don't want to be teased by their friends. and it will really remain as a lesson for them. [donnakristel]
I have postgraduate degree, only because I love to learn. However, I am self discipline person. For me school is wast of time and school suspension for me would be rewording. [polachicago]
ops, typo, I am too fast.. [polachicago]
Hi jen, i dönt call it reward, it is always punishment. May be it is treated with various impacts by a student. A student may be feel glad by it but the main purport is always shameful. It is also true that emotions and feelings are dependable on the age and quality of the student. Lol [shibham]
It should be a shameful thing for sure. There are students that are just to young to realize the impact on their lives. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
suspension in school is a punishment for the sinner to realize that she/he will not go to school for a days or months.. [john_ronald]
But the question is...do the children think of it as a punishment? Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
i see it more as a reward. even adults like to take a few days off work. if you suspend a student, the "lesson" is lost. it's better to give a "punishment" that's relevant/applicable to the offense to make the "lesson" stick. [binggaling]
I agree. I think that by giving them more work or making them come to school and be isolated has more of an impact than just cutting them loose from school. That does depend on the parents too though. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
More like a reward,but it may hurt their grade so it may end up as a punishment at the end of the semester since no work can be made up. I suppport the in school suspension where they have to be in a room all day and have to do work. [stormygrl]
Hi stormygrl! I think the in school method is more effective too. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
When the student is suspended, for the school that is a punishment because a student cannot be present during class, so they missed school, they are late in discussion per subject, if there is a quiz on specific date that they are not in school they will miss quizzes, it lowers their grades. Of course they can ask their classmate about the topics and some assignment, but they are obviously late for their activities.So it is a minus points for them. If the student is a really good student, like he or she is thinking for his or her future, they are hurt for their punishment and will realize something, but if they are just a happy go lucky student , they are happy for the punishment, because they are just at home and do whatever they want. That is school suspension is all about. but for me the good idea of school punishment is for the student to attend school but do additional activities, like projects, staying at the library to research for something. So that they will not missed school, but they are not enjoying for sure because they have loads of additional activities as a punishment. [grecychunny26]
I like the way you think. There should be a lot for a student that has messed up to do around the school for punishment. Thanks for the input. [JenInTN]
maybe for some is a reward because the student will get a vacation but for the mothers its a punishment because they pay their tuition and their child will just be suspended? hahaha... well it depends on the student.. :D [prityme]
I think you are right that ultimately it is the parent that suffers. Some parents have to even stay out of work because the child isn't going to school. Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
Hi JenInTin,Eversince,suspension is a punishment.In any institution or establishments,people will be suspended if violated any of the rules.Have a nice day! [Hazelrose]
Your right..that has become a normal disciplinary action. Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
For some it is a reward because they are bored with schooling or don't keen on study or those lack of interests in that particular subject and vise versa. If you suspend a teacher from teaching then they will feel the pinch...lol What do you think? Do you have any new punishment that will make them behave in a nice way? It also depends on their age whether or not to impose those punishment. Happy Mylotting. [Hvaniday1]
lol you are real good leh... [Hvaniday1]
yes.......... Daily i'm thinking.............. [ganesh_bala]
the school punishments are always a fun and part of enjoyment ,. students always enjoy life and they could be punished if they go over the lines which is not un controllable ... but some punishments are serious since they could have been given because of a very serious issue ... the decision always depends on the behaviour you did which caused the punishment ./ but mostly they would be fun if you think after a long time .... [dilipmiester]
I also think it should depend on what they did to become punished. There are certain things that are worse than others. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
LOL, if you will ask my brother, he will say it's a reward, because he hates school. All he wanted is to play online the whole day. [hanasadako]
LOL..I can see that some people would feel like it's a vacation. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
When I was at school I couldn never understand when teachers talked about suspending pupils - why sould they get time off school while we still have to be here? but I think because the pupil is being "allowed" to be off school it isnt quite the same as the child "wanting" to be off school. The fun is not there because there is no conflict with the system and its rules. I suppose it is a bit like when a parent sends its child to its room when is naughty. [donna22]
That is the mind set of a lot of children. They see someone get a few days off for misbehavior and think that it's not fair. Of course if parents are strict, it might be a punishment afterall. Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
When i was in school i used to think that suspension is a punishment i really feel bad. But now i do know that it not an punishment it is a reward for us. We learn so many things by making mistakes and teacher teaches us by giving us such a suspension punishment. And that really works in our life. [Nirishasol]
There are children that feel bad when they are suspended but then there are those that feel like they have gotten a vacation. Thanks for the input. [JenInTN]
You're right, it can only be effective if there is also a form of discipline happening at home that coincides with the suspension. If while the child is suspended they are pretty much free to watch tv and play around with their friends, sleep in, and all that, then it becomes a vacation pass for them rather than time to reflect on what they may have done. Suspension doesn't seem all too effective as a punishment because you can't be sure how it will turn out for all families. Maybe they should stay in school but be given extra work or projects. [verabear]
That's what I was thinking too. I think that if they had to go to school and clean bathrooms or something they would be a lot less likely to get into trouble..lol..Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
its almost like a reward but sometimes it may affect them through their parents or it might affect their grades... ofcourse its true that most of them gives a few day off...and it depends on time.. if its on exam times its a punishment and a usual day its a reward [thunderbala]
When those parents get angry and punish them at home too it works out better. Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
i really think that school suspension as a punishment is a reward for me, because those days i dont like to go school but when i was punished i felt very happy but i even get scolding from my parents how can i forget that. [binagupta]
I do think that there are better way to punish versus suspension. Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
Lets see, Suspended for skipping school...Can you say " Bonus days?" Yea, That's a punishment! [uath13]
LOL..is that a hint of sarcasm I detect? Thanks for the input. [JenInTN]
I think sometimes it's a punishment when you want to study.. and if you done any mistake.. and in punishment you can get suspension from school.. so on that time it's a tragedy.. but many times i saw.. some student get this suspension as a enjoyment.. but they don't know how this is affected on their study.. so be careful..thanking you and keep mylottting..happylol [anurag3786]
I think that children don't realize for a while how much of a punishment it really is. We know but that they need everyday of schooling but they might take it as a nice break. Unless they have strict parents that is. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
Well, i would find it like a ounishmnet of course. That's waht it was created for. But a kid could easily find it like a reward. No school, a bit more relaked. it depends if you're an adult or a kid. [andu_95]
It would depend on if one was an adult ot not. I would hate to be suspended but a child might be happy about a break from school. Thanks for the input. [JenInTN]
I always thought it was nice to get suspended not that I ever didblush. I feel really bad for people that get suspended from work with payangrymust be nice. [missybear]
lol Me eitherwhistle..It is aggravating when people get suspended WITH pay. Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
I think it could go either way. It all depends on how the parent views the suspension. If I was the parent everything except their bed and a lamp would be removed from their room and one by one they would have to earn back the items. Heck, I am a mean old lady so i would even remove the door from their room. They would sit at the Kitchen table 10 hours a day and study, no phone calls and no visitors. I wondor how mny times after that they would be suspended.shockedrolleyes [muscles4me]
w00t If I had apartner..hint hint..I's super nanny em..lol [JenInTN]
I do not know about the USA, but in England it has almost become a badge of hono(u)r! Suspension is about the only punishment left for dealing with some kids who are persistently disruptive. They used to get circulated around the schools in the local authority, but would finally find that nobody would keep them. Once upon a time also, kids might get suspended for a few days and them readmitted to the school population. It was then discovered that this had had no impact upon their behavio(u)r and it was necessary finally to suspend them permanently. In some inner-city areas in the UK now, the police apparently have their hands full with some of these individuals who are only 14 or 15, but cannot find a school to take them, and are hanging round with gangs of professional burglars and the like. [astonysh]
There are a lot of situations like that here too. It's a shame that the system fails so many youths. They are bad..there's no doubt about that..but they must be taught. I would take those kids back in school but they would do things like cleaning duties and such along with isolated school work. I think that just cutting them lose is only a band aid for the school system sometimes. My my at what they have created. Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
with all the stuff kids have nowadays,it's probably more like a vacation. unless you took things like video games away while they were home,i doubt they'd care overmuch. i remember being suspended for a week as a teenager,but i didn't get punished- i told my dad why i left school.they had me sitting in gym class with a migraine and were bouncing basketballs driving me nuts with the sound.that week actually was like a vacation because it allowed me to go to the doctor instead. [scarlet_woman]
There are some parents that are more understanding than others. It would greatly depend on the circumstances as to haow most parents react. There are some rules enforced by the school system that parents don't often think deserves punishment. Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
I think for most of the students this kind of punishment it is a reward. Few days off from school is everything what a stundent want.I don't see how they would feel sorry for what have they done. [csabyputurosu]
I know what you mean. When I was a kid..I would love to have stayed home and slept in. Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
I see it as a punishment, because it isn't just getting off from school. At my school at least, a teacher isn't required to allow you to make up work you missed when you were suspended, which can severely hurt your grade. In lower schools like elementary and such, I can see it as a being a reward for the student initially, but at that age, a parent will most likely punish them themselves, thus taking away the reward. [imagenius128]
Work is not allowed to be made up in my area either. Sometimes if the child thinks about the grade, it may be considered a punishment but for those that don't understand the importance of their grades...it's usually not realized until later. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
I had a suspension one time in school. The principle made this ruling in school that most of the kids didn't agree with. So in protest most of the student didn't go to class one afternoon. The principle brought everyone in and proceeded to yell at us saying that we didn't have the right to leave school that afternoon. We told him that he didn't have the right to decide what rules of his we were to follow. The principle suspended all of us, unfortunately my mother went in and argued for me and my sister. So we were never suspended. [doglady112]
I think that's a different situation, though, because it was in protest of something and a large number of students got suspended. I wish my school was more like that... we're boring... [imagenius128]
It depends on the student and the parents. If a student has no interest in accademic studies then they won't care if they fall behind and will take it as a holiday. But then if their parents are strict and care then the punishment should theoretically be continued at home with them being forced to study and priveldges removed till the suspension is served. I know if I had been suspended it certainly wouldn't have been a holiday and would have been forced to not only do home study for the time I should have been in school but my parents would have issued further punishment to make me regret what ever I did to get suspended. [thedailyclick]
Parents can be the key when it comes to a suspension. Children often do not understand the future consequences of their actions. They are only seeing the moment. It takes a strong enforcement to sometimes help them along. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
i think so...it also depends upon student to student but if a student is suspended for his behaviour that student \will surely feel thathe has got an unofficial holiday from shool and it will be a good news for him [abhiabhiabhiabhi]
It does depend on the student but I think that it can ne easy for them to think of a suspension as a little vacation. Thanks so much for the input. [JenInTN]
sad my grandkids used to laugh and say it was a reward. i think its because kids dont get punished at home also these days. when i was a kid not only would i be afraid of what happened in school but getting my a$$ whooped at home alsorolleyes this is the difference today. [bunnybon7]
That is a big difference. The way parents punish their children has definitely changed throughout the years. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
Depends on the mind state of the child. But ultimately its a punishment. [Mrwilliams]
It is ultimately a punishment but children often look at the here and now versus the future. It depends on the child to, I agree. Thanks for the input. [JenInTN]
I asked my daughter the question and she said, A reward of course, kids get to have time off! There's your answer and she is only eight! I think it may well be very effective if the parents do not make staying at home on suspension an easy experience! We see it as a shameful thing whereas kids just see it as a way of getting out of school but in certain cases I can appreciate the school not wanting a troublesome child to be there every day! [paula27661]
Out of the mouth of babes..I see why kids would think of it as a vacation and at the same time understand about not wanting the troubklesome children there. I would isolate them and give them extra work if it were me. No way they would get to sleep in..lol..Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
in my opinion if the student that will have this suspension will have tons of homework and projects to do then it will be a total punishment. the school needs to inform the parents too so they will cooperate with the disipline. then that would be a punishment. if the suspension is only so that the school will take a rest of students that are causing headache then this is not a punishment at all. this will bea holiday for the suspended student. [se7enthbird]
I think your right. They should send a lot of work home for them. There definitely needs to be sonmething else done besides just cutting them out of school. Thanks for responding! [JenInTN]
Some see it as a reward. They get to go hangout and do what they want for a few days. Most of the time, both parents work and they can just watch tv, play games, go on the internet. If enough kids get thrown out, they can go have a party. Now if a parent feels he or she must stay home and make the kid clean the house and/or do the work that's being missed at school, that might make the kid rethink it. Reminds me of a friend whose son kept getting in school suspensions. He would run in the hallway. Third time he had to eat lunch away from the cafeteria. Well it was so noisy in there, that he kept doing it on purpose. Another parent I know had to keep going into school and sign for her kid being on in-school suspention for 1/2 a day every Friday. She found out he wanted that because he could get all his work done and not have homework on the weekends. [writersedge]
Very rarely I bet. [JenInTN]
It all depends on the child, and as you mentioned, the circumstances at home. As a retired public school teacher in an inner city school, I can tell you that some of my own students did whatever they could to be suspended. Added to the problem with suspending my students, was the fact that they were special education students. Even though some of them needed AND DESERVED to be suspended much more than they were, they weren't because there is a law that says they can only be suspended so many days...............BUT, my own thoughts were that the law was misinterpreted as far as my students were concerned, since their suspensions had nothing to do with their disabilities, which is how the law reads. I always thought that if the parents didn't want them at home, with their bad behaviors, then send them there to punish the parents. There was an incident where the girl WAS NOT sent home since the comment was made by the mother that she wanted the girl home to babysit the rest of the day so she could sleep!! [idowrite72]
Parents have got to be involved to make the suspension thing work. I do understand that the schools and teachers' hands are ties when it comes to these things. There are some children that do think of suspension as a vacation. I would love to see a program put into place where there was a true liability for the students when they misbehave bad enough to be suspended. Cleaning bathrooms and such at the school would be a nice start..lol..Thanks for responding. [JenInTN]
It depends on what is the student's perception towards school. A punishment should serve a student from further unacceptable behaviour. However as you have mentioned some students might think that a suspension might serve as a means of reward,having some days off from school. I believe that suspensions should be recorded in the school leaving certificate. So this should deter pupils from thinking that suspensions are a reward. [ronaldinu]
It really does depend on the student's perception. If they don't care..it is a vacation. I think that there should be an added punishment to the suspension. I'm thinking of cleaning duties..lol Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
lol It does seem like more of a reward than a punishment. I think one of the purpose of a suspension is to keep the student away from other students like if a bully is suspended because he/she beats someone up. It's always scary not to be able to go to school (wanting or not is another thing). [animegirl334]
It is a lot for the school and the other students I think. It kind of gets the bad kids out of the way I guess. Thanks for the response. [JenInTN]
Hi Jenin yes..whatever you would do that violated rules or policy and you got action for that violation I think that's punishment..I don't know, that's only my own understanding.... Thanks my friend.. Mobhomeir here... [mobhomeir]
Thanks for the input. [JenInTN]
Even though it is supposed to be a punishment I think it is not much of a deterrant.Most kids in my school that were suspended just thought it was a lark. It meant upto five days of absense from lessons, teachers and routine. Unless the parents continues the punishment at home then suspension is a waste of time in my opinion. [Beautyfactor]
I also think it is of the upmost importance for the parents not to let the children make it a vacation. I have known of a lot of kids that are tickled to death to get a few days out of school. Thanks for responding and welcome to myLot. [JenInTN]
i think it depends solely on the school for there are schools that are not that strict in academics. if a student got a suspension then goes back to the Mainstream without any major educational challenge facing him that might affect his future credentials then this suspension thing is basically useless and a blessing in disguise. [Ritchelle]
Thanks for the input. I think there is a huge difference in the way that schools may handle things. [JenInTN]